obstacles, create hardships, create chaos. for example, if you take a look at the hispanic vote in texas, it's been closed down by gerrymandering, to where hispanics have almost no input in the political process. the next step is to do that same thing with minorities of all kinds. the poor, with students, with the elderly. what you're seeing them do is this. it's a -- if you go state to state, this is the same pattern. allow fewer voting stations in certain places. allow very fewer voting attendants to be at the voting stations. make the convenience issue almost impossible, to where people don't want to show up to vote. what we see is we see situations where their intent is to create chaos. to keep people away from -- >> these advocates that are out there fighting for voters' rights, what can they do at this point? >> well, the 1965 voting rights act is a strong act, ed. it's been ignored for too long. as a matter of fact, three years ago, the u.s. justice department was told that this pattern was taking place. what i like about the act, lbj pushed this act through. you know what he did, ed?